I took to to a gunshop that has a lot of cowboy guns. He then shoots it. For effective ignition, a ball has to fit tightly in the cylinder, and consequently a bit is shaved off when loading. Selleck also used a Winchester 1876, and there are various Winny models all over town. Even though todays 1858s are made with modern steels and CNC machines, you still want to shoot only light cowboy loads through them. I had one and stupidly traded it for a nice 1911. Web* Armi San Marco, copy of Remington Model 1858, .44 cal, s/n 61367, black powder revolver. Personally, I use wonder wads, commercially available round pieces of felt soaked in oil and wax (or you can make your own), between the ball and the powder. Used, shows wear and handling, small dings in the area of the cylinder pin end. Lot 429: Armi San Marco Reproduction 1858 Revolver Two Reproduction Percussion Revolvers Auction Date: November 3, 2016 Estimated Price: $ 200 - $ 500 Price Realized: Details A) Armi San Marco Model 1858 Remington Revolver with Matching Box Manufacturer: ARMI SAN MARCO Model: 1858 Type: Revolver Gauge: 44 percussion 1883 Burgess Manual. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. Often the outside contour dimensions will differ at the bottom of the barrel lug at the frame, but that's not a critical thing. If you boil your cylinders in a saucepan, then fish them oout with a slim piece of doweling, by the time they are cool enough to touch with the hand, ALL the water will have evaporated from the heat,and you can start right in re-loading them. Hooray for water! 1873 Single Action Manual. At the poor fellows Autopsy! Any gun made before Jan 1 1999 i is an antique gun, and requires no involvement of an FFL holder. That sucker started flipping all over the place. Either way, a good dose of lube also helps keep the black powder fouling moist and pliable, and easier to clean out. Pietta and Uberti cylinders do not interchange. Come visit us at: 1858remington.com Johnnnie Roper,Alias:Gunslinger9378, yup agree totally been doin bp for almost a half century myself n this is an excellent way to clean them your guy needs to foam elsewhere apparently that foam might dribble onto a bun n rust right through it to the table underneath after all foam is water lol. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. I do remember an article about this first revolver in that it was so exactly copied from an original that even experienced Colt collectors had difficulty in telling the prototype from an original. Nothing wrong with meat harvesting or game management, says a fellow Texan. 44 BP; fair bore, good stock, 4'' barrel, Made in Spain. WebAsm armi san marco 1858 Cylinder Pin #165 Pre-Owned $22.99 weimdog27 (722) 100% Buy It Now Free 3 day shipping Sponsored Armi San Marco MSM inc dual trigger set with adjustment hawken muzzle loader $150.00 eldorablerentals (1,449) 100% Buy It Now +$9.50 shipping Sponsored ARMI SAN MARCO ASMREMINGTON 1858BLUESTEEL Keep both of these straight, and the possibility that someone (like me, maybe) just might make a mistake, so on your own, do some research on it , At first we never know which is which , but it doesnt take long to figure it out. I often find them employed at LGS and they are a good resource. The strong Remington frame made it fairly easy to convert the pistol over to metallic cartridge use, as firearms technology rapidly advanced after the Civil War. Grips for the Uberti 1873 Cattleman El Patron Grizzly Paw New Model as well as the 1860 and 1872 Colt army made by Cimarron, Pietta and Uberti. 1873 Single Action Manual. I never did fault him for it even though he was 3000 miles out of his jurisdiction. 36 BP; excellent bore, excellent stock, 9.5'' barrel, Manufactured in Italy. Both sets of these .38 revolvers seem just a bit smaller in the grips and frames than the ASM .45's. Any help would be appreciated. But, since we don't spin in SASS, it's not a problem I worry about. We raise cattle, same thing. Customer Service. I had to put down an estimated 350- 400 pound bear that can in my camp and got into it with my dog. THE 44-40; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 5 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUCTION OF A REMINGTON MODEL 1875 ARMY REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT OVERALL CONDITION. In the original box serial numbered to the gun. .44 Cal percussion. While the Colt has been called the Peacemaker forever, I don't think Colt ever used the name. Ill stick to smokeless powder firearms from now on (because Im lazy!). I have a LeMat replica, fine in every way except the rammer being a piss poor design, and the two-mode hammer not working well in shotgun position. Fits .44 and .36 7.25 ea + 2.75 shipping via USPS 1 ea. None other than William Buffalo Bill Cody wrote of his old 1858 Remington, It never failed me. If you had a few briefcases full of C-notes sitting around last summer, you could have bid on Buffalo Bills 1858 Remington, along with his hand-written note extolling the virtues of Beals revolver. Most folks shoot them with charges down in the 20-grain range. I am sure it will do for deer. So If you load the .44 Remington with something like 25 grains blackpoweder you only get about 100 ft-lbs energy. Which further compromised the already doubtfull Accuracy of the Colt Style revolver! Parts are still available on a limited basis from VTI. In a way, you could say it was two guns in one! How interchangeable are Uberti gun parts A friend of mine purchased a 1874 Sharps repo made by them a few years back for a Christmas gift for his son. Great review. Very good bore and chambers, with light corrosion present. Rare US coins, Carson City, Nevada history, Redheads. 1858 Remington Cap and ball ASM was so bad, even ASM parts seldom fit. Two were pretty good while the third and last was not. Model: 1858. Thats not meat harvesting. All of the Pietta replicas I have are fantastic, and they were all sourced from the same supplier (see last paragraph). New in Box-never fired. Lightning Manual. My first cowboy pistol was an ASM EMF Hartford in .357, bought new in about '95 or '96. Type: Revolver. ; 98% blue, excellent bore, excellent+ grips, 7 1/2'' barrel, UBERTI REPRODUTION OF A COLT 1872 OPEN TOP REVOLVER IN EXCELLENT+ CONDITION. It wears Pietta gripframe screws, too. Look on the revolver barrel or bottom or side of cylinder frame. This was sold and moved to Marietta, OH., and then, in around 1973, was sold to Navy Arms. That's your build date. Click on the "Full Description" fore more info. THE BORE IS 45 Caliber; 97% blue, good bore, excellent grips, 10'' barrel, ITALIAN REPRODUCTION OF A "W.MOORE-LONDON" SINGLE SHOT CAP & BALL PISTOL IN VERY GOOD OVERALL CONDITION. I now buy all of my replicas from one distributor EMF Company. I hated to see my 1858 lose the battle, but it was by far the coolest looking piece in the flick in its spotless mickel plate with no sign of holster wear or powdwer burns. Pretty simple. Remington 1858 I shot it once in the neck using a 200 grain 45 acp fmj bullet and about 37 grains of 777. The reason is that .44 is the muzzle diameter. Youd use either #10 or #11, the 11s being the larger. I wasn't there. Perfect for display and target shooting. In the .44 version, each of the six chambers can hold up to 40 grains of black powder. Web1858 Remington, Richards Mason & Open Top Conversion Manual. 21478. with only two hands, juggle the fresh loaded cylnder onto the Arbor Pin, replace the barrel, and drive home the wedge, (Bearing in mind that ones horse might be objecting quite strenuously to all the Booms, Bangs, cracks, and the whine of Shells going past hie ears!. And a .50 sabot over 100 grains of Pyrodex is a humane, instant-kill deer load out to 150 yards. Great writeup of a gun that has been on my list for a while. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. the 1858 is Lee van Cleefs gun in Good, bad and the ugly. Some were mentioning movies in which the Remington 1858 made an appearance. WebThis conversion cylinder assembly will convert your 1858 Remington ASM, Uberti or Pietta steel or brass .44 cap and ball revolver to fire .22 cartridges. The other was a blued adjustable-sight Old Army that was just sheer round-ball hilarious to shoot. The bucks are off limits. I don't know whatever happened to that lawsuit or maybe it was just a rumor? NAVAL SCENE ENGRAVED ON CYLINDER. Their SAA's are a good example. Bore and chambers in very good+ $395.00 Add to Cart Compare Pietta Remington Percussion - C55996 I have a Pietta with after-market Tresso nipples that are just slightly smaller and regular caps fall off, but Dynamil Nobel 1075s fit perfectly. The one who makes a career of it will begin to stick out like a sore thumb, before long just based on the volume of questionable facts he spouts. Swapping barrels can involve fitting the arbor to the barrel sometimes. New in Box-never fired. Products View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Some folks claim doing so helps prevent chain fires, or all the cylinders going off at once. I have no idea how many guns Ive owned since my first .22 at the age of 12 but in the most fun category I could narrow it down to two. Claimed copyright infringement. Years ago ASM had some fine artisans..the guns were good.ASM was under the direction of the Son in Law of Aldo Uberti. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. In Iowa, muzzle-loading pistols of at least .44 caliber, with barrels at least four inches long and without shoulder stocks are legal for deer hunting. WebThat isn't going to be the case with the Italian replicas, but more often than not the answer is easily found stamped on the revolver. Perfect for display and target shooting. A) Armi San Marco 1858 New Model Percussion Revolver. If you slip when cocking the hammer you can set a cap off. I am planning on getting one for my Grandson and maybe one for my Granddaughter. Fine quality pistol, exhibits high standards of STAINLESS FINISH SHOWS LIGHT HANDLING WEAR. Some of it justifiedhowever if you know the reason then it's some what understandable. With heavier charges, its good to go when trying to put Bambis mother in the freezer. Remington. How interchangeable are Uberti gun parts . I shot ASM 58's in my early years. Minor handling dings - see photos Standard 8" octagon barrel. -drop safety-Hammer- - Z52780, A. Uberti & C. 1872 Open Top Copyright 2019 sassnet.com Treat he hammer with the same respect you treat the trigger. Type: Revolver. I got them from EMF. Or even from New York? Range, of course, is quite limited. Just my opinion. .44 Caliber 8in Blued Octagonal Barrel Brass Guard Walnut Grip Steel Frame Top Strap/Post Sights Overall Length: 14.5in Weighs: 2.75 pounds Model: FR18582 WHY CUSTOMERS CHOSE THIS ITEM Specifications Questions & I love the old cap and ball revolvers. If you are using a big bore handgun, the little 22 seems like a free party. Big thump, big cloud, and I could see the huge rounds hitting the berm when I was spotting through binoculars. THSS TSRA NRA Life Anyway it worked, never had a problem since. The Remington cost about 50 cents more per copy than the various Colt models, due to the top strap frame construction, and was not as widely issued. It has a central shotgun barrel (16 gauge? BORE IS VERY GOOD WITH GOOD RIFLING. The patent date is 1858. WOODEN GRIPS ARE NEAR MINT 45 Caliber; 85% blue, very good bore, very good stock, 10'' barrel, REPRODUCTION KENTUCKY PERCUSSION PISTOL. Allen then started Western Arms which became Allen Arms, and then to Cimarron. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . Dont touch it unless the gun is pointing in a safe direction cause there is is no transfer bar. Unfortunately, ASM also changed their name to Chaparral about the same time. Also, I would personally spend a small amount more and buy a steel frame pistol instead of a brass frame. 1899. The ASM firing pin holes in the recoil shields weren't hardened so they tend to develop a dimple that the primer flows in to binding the cylinder. converted to fire fixed ammunition by replacing the barrel, bolt, breechblock, or any combination Modern Reproduction And if both Buffalo Bill and Clint Eastwood liked it in different centuries, you know its got to be good. Excellent shape with no not for sale by BuffaloHunter4 on GunsAmerica.com the best online marketplace for buying and selling semi auto pistols, firearms, accessories, and collectibles : 972952045 what ever happen to "army san marcos" guns ? Stamped on top of octagon barrel "1855 SPAIN". Also on the note of black powder, someone with a lesser felony conviction can own a black powder gun as long as the magazine cannot be altered to fire High power center fire ammunition (45-70 and .45 colt cowboy rounds do not apply). I remember that ASM was sold to American Western Arms who only produces cartridge revolvers. SOLD FS: "1858" Remington Gun Parts I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). Although original 1858s were finished in a very uniform blue, I particularly like the color-case hardening on the frame and the plain-jane, oil-finished grips. Ryw, they sued, but I thought it was because "people would see PeaceKEEPER and think it was a PeaceMAKER". I have a Uberti 1847 Walker. The last line about being used since before the civil war is technically inaccurate. The Colt type sighting was crude, to say the very least! ARMI SAN MARCO Modern Reproduction 1860 Henry Manual. There are about three or four brands out there, so find the one that works best. For an 1858, the standard Remington caps will work brilliantly. That is true. Same here, EMF Hartford 45s, circa 95-96. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. I take all three to the range regularly in the appropriate recreation leather. Armi San Marco is still making guns and they are known for making guns with bad workmanship. THE BLUING IS NEAR FLAWLESS. BORE IS NEAR MINT WITH EXCELLENT RIFLING. (#% or 40 grains.) View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium Great article and comments, Ihave been thinking about getting one of these for a while, I have a question. An iron-sight Hawken at whatever range you can stay on a sheet of typing paper EVERY SHOT offhand is hunting. They make the guns for Chiappa now and the quality is still the worst out of Italy. My days of reloading by the thousands are past, so a pair of these are a real find at less then $300 bucks. Rolling The 1858 Remington is a single-action, cap-and-ball percussion revolver, usually .44 caliber, although versions were also made in both .31 and .36 calibers. 1858 remington by armi san marco 1883 Burgess Manual. THE FRAME RETAINS 97% OF ITS CASE COLORS. Turned out the Chaparral "factory" was just across the street and run by the gun shop's son . Someone asked why they are called .44s if they take a .452 or .454 ball. In 1993, the Hartford line was introduced by E.M.F. ROFL, So nice to read about black powder stuff here. Armi San Marco 1858 By using this site, you agree to our Terms of Use. It is a beautiful piece of craftsmanship and great fun to shoot. http://www.1858remington.com, a.k.a. Very scary as all get out. By the way; it is a pretty decent movie in the class with Quiggley Down Under.almost. In 2004 I orderd a Uberti 1851 Colt part from the very back of the Brownells catalog the Uberti part fit better than the original, with both parts out side by side the Uberti had better finnish, the 'ASM' part had tool marks and general over all rough apperance (probibly why Personally, I think hes nutso! Howell Conversions - GATED 1858 Remington Pietta .45 LC. They are both shooters and I believe they will have a blast with this next time I visit. These two revolvers just feel better ergonomically than either the Uberti .357's or the USFA .38 Special revolvers I have. 1858 Remington Cap and ball The firing pin broke on the 3 or 4th shot. THE FRAME AND HAMMER RETAINS APPROX 90% OF THEIR COLORS.. The standard pistol primer is an 11, but if it does not fit tightly and has to be squeezed to make it stay on, you have the wrong size. Not part of Uberti in any wayexcept by marriage. View more auctions here. But to me, it just seems that a black powder gun pushing a round ball does not have the ballistics to routinely be lethal on a whitetail deer. Ive made it a long way by doing what CSMs tell me to do, so I shoot it at least once a month. Though the guns be identical, the first is free of any legal imcumberance, while the second has an FFL holder and a waiting period to deal with. These are considered antiques and not subject to paper work. WebRemington 1858 Armi San Marco 44 Black powder loading and shooting 4,144 views May 17, 2015 37 Dislike Share Save Harri Miettinen 68 subscribers Subscribe Shooting Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping. (No, I didn't win it my son beat me in the shoot-off. I've never had any problems with them. I haven't had a lick of trouble out of it, other than losing the ejector housing screw. Armi San Marco This version features improved accuracy. 1873 Rifle Manual. If you want to be one of those Youre only hunting if.. people. WOODEN GRIPS ARE 44 Caliber; 95% blue, near mint bore, near mint grips, 8'' barrel, REPRODUCTION 1858 NEW MODEL ARMY REVOLVER IN NEAR MINT CONDITION. I have a spare cylinder in the LC so I can keep shooting just by swapping the cylinders. ASM 1858 1863 pocket They make the guns for different companies and the workmanship is terrible. -drop safety-Hammer - Z52747, Lussignoli Renzo W. Moore/ London Reproduction - C53214, A. Uberti & C. Mod.1875 Army First, only one person had the cutoff date right; it is 1998 / 99. There is a wide variance in rifles, and I have seen it claimed that range is no more than 100 yards. My question is, How close to the Old Army is this Pietta 1858 New Army .44 cal? armi san marco WebRemington Rolling Block; Remington Lee; 1865 Springfield (1st Allin) 1866 Springfield (2nd Allin) 1868-70 Springfield (50/70) 1873-1889 Springfield (45/70) 1873 Winchester; 1885 Winchester; 1895 Winchester Lee Navy; Winchester Hotchkiss; Winchester Model 61; Winchester Model 62; Winchester Model 86; Winchester Model 90/06; Winchester All year long he trains the deer to come to his corn feeder. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. Chat with us; Phone us at (616) 432-6640 . I also have an open top revolver and an 1873 rifle that are Uberti. percussion caps are NOT standard size. One of these has been on my list of stuff to get for a long, long time. For powder loads, the .36s usually run 15-20 grains (that is by volume, not by weightso you MUST use a measure), while most loads for .44s that Ive seen (all my guns are .36) are 25 to (max) 35 grains. Perfect for display and target shooting. Armi San Marco manufacturer overview Armi San Marco manufacturer overview Actually it was because of the pony on the grips AND the name, Colt won the lawsuit. It was just the size of a small outfit, like 4-5 people there and I saw mostly lever rifles parts (might be they got their pistol from other sources). I also had 2 spare cylinders. It is all nickle, less the cylinder and plunger, which are gold, and a walnut grip. The same dimensional differences for width, etc will occur with the triggerguard and backstrap at the frame, but the screw pattern is always right on. I lowered my ball size from .454 to 451 (pietta) and dropped my charge from 30 to 20 grains. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Powder replica. It was like 1-2 years before they went out of businnes. The rifle is the best looking gun in my collection, even better than my Henry. 6d 19h left (Thu, 11:33 AM) $29.95 Buy It Now +$7.95 shipping Sponsored Genuine ASM & CVA - Stop Bolt - For Remington 1858 Revolver - Armi San Marco New (Other) $27.95 Buy It Now +$3.99 shipping Sponsored Nicks a real tech wizard. WebDescription: Remington Model 1858 New Model Army Revolver, .44 caliber. When it did fire on time I could hit a coke can at 25 yards most of the time. I have three Sheriffs Models, and consider them SO GOOD, I carry one every day for Self-Defense! See each listing for international shipping options and costs. The used value of an ARMI SAN MARCO pistol has fallen ($12.42) It was a great pointer and very accurate. I am no authority, but I believe I know the law on this subject. FINISH SHOWS LIGHT FADING WITH LIGHT HIGH-EDGE WEAR. I still shot it without the ejector, and got pretty good at ejecting shells with a nail on a leather thong. And thats part of the beauty of cap-and-ball revolvers; you can vary the powder charge any time you wantlight loads for plinking, and heavy loads for whatever. There will be no records if you send a physical order and payment via U.S. Post Office, FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc. Mounted Shooting 1873 Rifle Cleaning Instructions. About 200 ft-lbs Energy I had a pawl spring break on my late 1980's era EMF 1860 (Armi San Marco). I shot it again in the side and it stop rolling around. Armi San Marco 1858 Remington Black Grand Army /Frontier Cimarron Thunderer and The only real lemon was an ASM. WebThe 1858 Remington New Army is both a beautiful collectors piece and a rugged side arm. It would sure be cool to see a review of the Colt competitorsArmi San Marco - VTIGunparts The Remington-Beals as it was called back then came into its own with the onset of the Civil War. They tell me that they inspect every gun they get and wont sell anything they dont think is high quality, and I believe it. View Item in Catalog Lot #242 (Sale Order: 241 of 708) Sold for: $120.00 to F****b "Tax, Shipping & Handling and Internet Premium My personal recipe for 1858 fun is 25 grains of holy black with a .454 diameter round lead ball seated firmly atop it. Gauge: 44 percussion. Thanks for clearing that up for me Steve, I do know however that the 74's made by the Chiappa are, having problems.
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