8. That was just the trigger. There could be a level from the really dense types, right through to people that are amazing. Another factor in his behaviour is that he is affected mentally by being disabled and unable to do much except sit around. But living with them 24-7 is a different matter. or do these people require comorbidities with NPD (ASPD) and/or BPD to hoover? Big thanks for that. Look to any anthropology. 4. Sorry for carrying on but he has traits on both sides of that list and I dont know what to do. 5. I look back now and the courage it took for me to end it was beyond me and something I have not ever regretted. Why are people meeting the possessed etc in the first place, let alone staying 25 years? Hasnt it been stated (or proved) that these people actually over-feel way too much but find it difficult to process their emotions externally/outwardly? So now, one might wonder, what is really meant by normal? If they do this, then they are Narcissistic, if they dont then it is Asbergers. She experiences uncontrollable anxiety, apparently something that is unique and at different levels for those within the autism spectrum. It doesnt matter what it is, the narcissist is keen to find your dark and shattered parts and pretend to be glue but all too soon they become a sludge Over this past couple of years through my unconditional love for him he has come to the realisation that he does have aspergers syndrome and is now starting to understand himself and why he is different to most other people around us. Given an unlucky start, I have subsequently been extraordinarily lucky. Narcissism is characterized by an inflated sense of In order to be perceived as a noble martyr, the malignant narcissist slowly constructs their image in the minds of others. I now underdstood that this was something he was never going to be able to give me now matter how good, kind generous, forgiving I was. In case anyone is concerned that I lashed out in a physical or highly abusive way to this woman, that is not the case. Prior to 2012, people with mild symptoms, considered high functioning, were identified as having Aspergers syndrome. I am not sane and never will be but i prefer to need to feed from others happiness than the opposite. This has happened to me several times. Still i act sometimes.. and do things that are.. truly narcissistic. happy?! He listens to me more and I take this as his caring more or me just learning to interject. This was not who I was and came to a pivitol point around that time, as I felt deep misery. I lived with him for around 38 years and one of the worst things to be experienced is the manipulation and degrading of personal self and loneliness under the barrage of rot they seem to like to dish up. He was always right and I was wrong (even when I wasnt). They both have symptoms, one has very severe migraines that incapacitate her for days at a time, the other gets depressed from time to time and has a continual mild epileptic condition treated by medication which hell probably have to go on taking for the rest of his life. Break up and never look back. Time has passed since I wrote those comments and I can say the journey to recover from the relationship with that afflicted person has been very difficult. All rights reserved. Thanks for listening. This often results in boys with low self-esteem and an inability to express themselves freely without fear of judgement. Nothing because it doesnt make them happy the god dam morons. And I remembered for the first time that I had been abused as a child. As Robin touched upon, I feel that we cannot begin to determine what is really going on with a persons brain until their environmental toxins and deficits are corrected. the list of traits which supposedly apply (without variance) to high-functioning autistic people is insulting. (seared conscience). This happened at a hospital school in the late 1950s where he was sent away to for six months. she left. I wasnt after marriage as I have learned this isnt always appropriate for some but it doesnt mean a relationship cannot develop that will be satisfying for both parties. He hates being interrupted when he is doing anything, or even just thinking. We were not monogamous. Oh i was not that smart i mean it was crazy to do that but with the list of things i was dealing with (ADHD, autism, bipolar, borderline, ptsd, violence etc) i guess i was allowed to not be perfect? Furthermore, many on the autistic spectrum are hyper-empathic and hyper-feeling, and if you speak with autistic people, you would know that. Ive heard this called conversational narcissism. Maybe they have to be taught, if willing. A relationship counsellor would be a good start if you find he is willing to do this. It is helpful to be flexible and adaptable. He is happy for me to do this but not in our home, especially when he is around or knows about it. My brother is recovering slowly with the help of the therapy team and is now at the stage where he must understand the importance of moving through and beyond his experiences. Any assistance with this will be highly appreciated and therapeutic for me. All my life i had to discover the answers all by myself. You only have one life you can live, no one gets a second chance. She may be 34 but she is more like 22 in her mind, although she is very bright and creative. The narcissist harms other people because they are harmed themselves. To Shirley E Hinman I now realise this constant bashing I experienced was in part because I was such an easy target as an autistic person and also a constant thorn in their sides because 1. Here is the problem that confuses me. The first thing I did when I found out what had been a troubling situation for so very long, was to learn what makes individuals with different levels of autism tick. l also learned about baiting because I realized he does it all the time and I tried to emotionally distance myself from his remarks. Rather than getting upset by this, I recommend practicing acceptance. For instance, I have autism, but Im not one-dimensional, I behave differently around different people (as does everyone you dont behave the same way to your SO as to your boss and to your friends). It may be painful and frustrating but if you can make a connection with a special support worker I think your life may start to make sense. Good luck. Prior to 2012, people with mild symptoms, considered high functioning, were identified as having Aspergers syndrome. What? He talks in monologues which can go on for hours. Understand that people with narcissism do not cooperate or collaborate well; you will have to learn to be independent in this type of relationship. So i could spend all year giving all the examples that proves my point.. no therapist or psy ever acknowledged my story. A total war going on but its not on a military or country level. Ive read Frederics contribution and the confusion and anger he expresses is difficult to read. Therapists foundation staff that have a guy like me.. messed up like me.. living there cauz i cant on my own ask help.. over and over.. and none understood that ignoring me.. or telling me to deal with it was.. CRAZY. Thought I would add my 2 I have been aware of having Aspergers Syndrome for 18 years (Im 55 now), most of the above is true from a Nuerotypical point of view, I have been married twice, they both failed, after about three years, my first wife just got increasingly frustrated and angry, I became increasingly sad, as I couldnt work out why she was becoming more angry and abusive. Went to a specialist Doctor to be assessed and tested. I dont hate others or have any kind of problem or jealousy. My father was a horrible narcissist, my mother wasnt, I began to take on his traits as these were the most powerful in the house, then one day I realised I didnt want to be like that, I preferred the gentleness, kindness and thoughtfulness of my mother, and hopefully Im still that today as I reach my autumn years. I dont want to be selfish but I also need to know how do I have a voice in these situations? So how could i tell? 1 More posts you may like r/narcissisticparents Join Learn how they behave, think ahead of time to protect myself from future attacks to my safety etc. When we look at the relationships that NPDs get into, the other person is often vulnerable in some way and time and time again, I am finding that when we look at the parents of NPDs, one is NPD and the other is ASD. I think you are barking up the wrong tree your first mistake is to assume aspergers and high functioning autism are the same thing THEY ARE NOT! I am at last feeling more stable, and Im certainly more aware, and hope, some day, to use ALL of my brothers and my experiences for the good of poorl metal health sufferers and therapists alike. He has hated every place we have rented, and spent most of his time we have lived in places demanding we move out and me dealing with every issue hes had, which is basically about noise. In the most severe instances, the person demonstrates sociopathic tendencies or antisocial personality. The worst case scenario was a workaholic trait which eventually took its toll and the sexual abuse came to light. Break up and never look back. But hes manipulative & very Nasty, when we have words and always blames me for everything within the conversation , if I make a comment he takes it a derogatory comment towards him & after 25yrs Ive learnt how to word my comments, as I know he doesnt take the blame he has the ability to make you believe everything that said is my fault ( he was like that with his 1st wife ) but cannot see it . 1- they had food, 2- i had asked that therapist to be registered to food bank in case for months she knew.. so no she was not bringing me anywhere. I wondered how anyone with narcissism could show empathy or how people on ASD could be social. I felt guilty and sad that he didnt tell me about his difficulties, but not sure I could have coped with it on an intimate level anyway. Im not a therapist and dont profess to be one. For Your Own Good, and Thou Shalt Not Be Aware, by Alice Miller Is it common for people to be a narcissist and be Autistic? We do not lack empathy, we have great intuition altho it can be difficult for us to understand it, and some of us are definitely sensitive. It was actually a turning point in my life. Putting the list side by side made it easier to compare. For example, many people with high-functioning autism are capable of manipulation, guilt-tripping, and not allowing you to say no. Autism Spectrum People can tolerate some poisoning in the above or they can tolerate being in anti-social clean environments but they can not do both I feel there are no two individual people in this world that are the same or lets say I have never met them, but then I am no expert on this. People making excuses for Narcissists, hiding what they are behind Aspergers, which is not something to joke about, need to stop. I had to write to the director of the foundation here and expose the entire situation in a group email .. to force them into action. The World and technology is moving so fast and many of us are not equipped to deal with it at all, and not because we arent willing. Develop healthy, happy connections within other relationships. How what??? So I have had my time pulling my hair out and being hugely frustrated and desperate for an answer how to handle her. I am also a survivor of pretty horrendous child sexual and physical abuse, starting in my first year of life and going on till puberty (age about 12 or 13) when the perpetrator lost interest in me and turned his attention elsewhere. So I have a confusing situation, please bare with me. He overstimulates with grandiose feelings of self-esteem, entitlement, and a strong desire He doesnt feel he does anything wrong and when I try to tell him how I feel and he calls them lectures and adds them to the list. If he werent so old as he is, (8 yrs older than me,) with mitigating family concerns, Id divorce now. My life is ruined, i live in a foundation for autistic adults that had.. my life. It may be that people with Aspergers are as varied in their characters as other folk, some of whom are incredibly cruel to animals and some of whom love then to bits. He makes the bed every day and sweeps the floor, and asking more than that is too much. Im guessing he didnt understand that his guilt-tripping behaviour was in fact guilt-tripping and would cause me to feel horrible, because he has the autistic trait of not having some of that surface-level emotional and situational understanding. 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